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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 20, 2013 8:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Importance of Attending a Show: Tell explains it all

Stop the drivel (mine included): re-reading it all has convinced me, per usual, I are right, and others are confused.

First and foremost: confusion--of course attending a show is a unique and singular event, and if you went, for a variety of reasons no one can get "it" (little, insignificant "it"). But, this is NOT the question at hand.

The question is, were DEAD shows somehow dramatically more significant than other bands, and that only seeing them live allowed you to get "IT" (big, significant "IT").

OK?

Second, on this level, it's the myth, the "IT" myth, that I am attacking, as I don't believe the big IT for the DEAD is true, though all of us use phrases like "there is nothing like a..." and blah, blah, blah.

And, I stand by all the evidence I mustered prior to reveal the IT myth is just that...the DEAD were not infinitely better live; the DEAD were not truly innovative in that they segued from song to song on stage due to telepathic powers, and that the suites (MofM--DS--StSt--Eleven) were born on stage and never rehearsed (we believed this), blah, blah, blah.

The DEAD experience had many idiosyncratic components, but by and large the "you had to see them live to appreciate them", etc., etc., is way overdone...

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffMonte B Cowboy Date: Jan 20, 2013 9:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Importance of Attending a Show: a village idiot explains it all

My best drivel: I'm just a village-idiot; I'm an average-Joe; I lived a happy-go-lucky lifestyle. All three are true! What's dumber than that? Why would a village idiot matrix his own tapes forty years later? I like it when the tapes sound better!

Re: Althea's matrix comment, the theory that if folks like listening to old Dead, they might also like reading old posts, and someone might pick it up to make a matrix

Kevin Tobin beat me to it!
Tobin matrix for my June 10, 1973 tapes
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My first matrix is my first time taping!
my June 9, 1973 matrix of my tapes
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My second matrix is my tapes of Jer's 1973 b'day
my Aug 1, 1973 matrix of my tapes
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My last matrix is for the Smithsonian Institute!
my Dec 18, 1973 matrix of Adam G's tapes
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Review for Dec 18, 1973 SBD: Another spectacular Eaton/Miller collaboration - Dick picked the wrong Curtis Hixon show!

Although the first set moves a bit slowly, this is truly a special performance. Jazzed out to the max and packed with slashing leads from Weir, this is easily among the very best shows of 1973, and definately one of the best sounding files archived here!

The China/Rider segue, though mellow, is extremely well jammed, and the WRS/Let it Grow combo is as jazzy as any played. Is that Becker and Fagan sitting in?

One of the better Dark Stars of '73, complete with a terrifying feedback segment, and the amazing Weir/Lesh interplay during Eyes of the World (where is Jer?), make this one rather unique and very special. (99+ pts)
- reviewed by Cliff Hucker, written on Feb 22, 2009

The AUD tape is so good, it sounds like a SBD. The taper had Garcia's and the band's permission to record, and was able to record very close to the stage. It doesn't appear to circulate very much, although some known dat copies were made in the mid-1990s. This is from a transfer the taper did in 1998, burned to CD.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffMonte B Cowboy Date: Jan 20, 2013 10:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re Attending shows: the village idiot says "pictures are priceless"

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download GD's time-stamped photo collection — 937 JPGs in a 260MB zip archive file

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Jan 20, 2013 8:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Importance of Attending a Show: Tell explains it all

I believe in the IT...i would not have tapped into the dead like i have if i had not seen a dead show live, it changed everything about the way i listened to the music...I also could feel the gestalt effect happen at a Dead show, yes Bon Jovi may have gotten 50,000 fans to hold lighters and scream along to Living on a Prayer, it's deeper at a Dead show, it taps into something subconscious that acid enhances... I also believe in the X factor...their improve style and set lists allowed for interesting things to happen...they just had better songs and more interesting jams than other similar bands ...as at as telepathy, it sounds weird but it is more like musicians intuition...play with each other long enough and it happens, lyre at teamwork musically...lastly whoever believes that the dead did not rehearse these suites is naive...75 and early 76 were basically studio years rehearsing

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Poster: leftwinger57 Date: Jan 21, 2013 6:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Importance of Attending a Show: Tell explains it all

I have to agree w/ this also .This band in part because as I said previously was not a radio friendly band like the Doors,Airplane Eagles and many others.Because of this it was a word of mouth thing when you got to hear this band .The rap I got was they play very long shows w/ 2 sets a break w/ a formula involved.The 1st set would consist of rockers some ballads cowboy songs and the like.The 2nd set well was a more experimental thing w/ songs running into one another coming around after long jams,a drumm solo,duet back into a song that sometimes started it all.All this well and good if well they were good on this night because as I have said many times when they were good they were the best at what they did and took you places that many have never been to before ,but when they were bad and now so many more of you are conceeding that very bad shows happened often and when they were bad they were fucking horrible w/ no middle ground and generally no recovery.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Jan 20, 2013 8:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Importance of Attending a Show: Tell explains it all

True then. But would it be true now, in the digital era, if you were born in 1990 and never had the option of seeing the band but could hear all the stuff here, watch YouTube clips, maybe go to Furthur, etc? Would that mean you couldn't ever get IT?

Or, if you were a born-in-'90 Deadhead -- if you were such a licorice-loving eccentric that you latched onto this particular music even WITHOUT a show -- mightn't that mean you're even MORE coded to "get" this stuff than those of us who tapped into it from seeing live shows?

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Poster: Old_NJ_Head_Zimmer Date: Jan 20, 2013 12:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Importance of Attending a Show: Tell explains it all

I agree with the 'it' theory and would never have taken on such an interest and 200 shows if I didn't believe there was some magic in a live dead / Jerry show. To me here was the show and there there was the music. Sometimes one was great the other not so and vise versa, one was personal and one was communal - I didn't believe I would be here listening to 40 year old shows if I had never experienced one live. Mind altering yes - life changing - yes able to understand without the experience - no
My .02

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Poster: Diamondhead Date: Jan 20, 2013 4:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Importance of Attending a Show: Tell explains it all

I'm afraid I disagree Tell. As much as I liked Live Dead, Europe 72 and Skull and Roses etc., nothing prepared me for the overwhelming experience that was live. And trust me I was not into sweaty dance shows either. It was the spontaneity, the physicality of the sound, the emotion, the excitement that carried me off into the ethers. Obsessing over tapes was and is only a way to feebly try to recreate what I experienced live.

And I did feel the IT. When the band started working into something nifty and the crowd sensed it and started spontaneously roaring, and the band picked up on it and started pushing more. At times like that, we all felt like were part of it, no matter how small. And I've seen 100's and 100's of other concerts and never quite experienced it that way. How I wish I could experience that again.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jan 20, 2013 5:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Importance of Attending a Show: Tell explains it all

Am I the only one that got "IT" largely due to all the sweet, welcoming "hippy" chicks at the shows, in the lot, and around the scene? That doesn't come through on a good matrix.


Yep, I'm one shallow SOB.

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Jan 24, 2013 9:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Importance of Attending a Show: Tell explains it all

Dude, no, you're not. I have a very clear image of what to me at the time seemed like the gorgeous hippie chick I'd ever seen -- who was probably butt-ugly -- but who nevertheless had a very hot bod and was doing this thing on the railing of Three Rivers Stadium that well.. you know. I'll never forget that. This band is for me, I thought.

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Poster: Diamondhead Date: Jan 20, 2013 6:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Importance of Attending a Show: Tell explains it all

LOL. Patchouli makes me gag. à chacun son goût